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Keith Olbermann, Heal Thyself

October 8, 2009
Courtesy of BigFurHat/iOwnTheworld.com

Courtesy of BigFurHat/iOwnTheworld.com

Of hypocrisy and straight up Cuckoo Pants-ism.  I’ll give you one thing; at least you were honest when you named your display tonight a “Special” Special Comment.

Dear Keith Olbermann: You Want to Talk About Death?

Three words:  Roe V. Wade.

Yeah, I thought so.  THAT life and death doesn’t count, right, Keith? Therefore:  Shaddup, SIR.  Thanks!

Oh, and have your Lefty Talking Points Parrots kindly zip it as well. Or at least get some new talking points.  Um, not wanting Obamacare does NOT equal “arguing For Death”.  Seriously, you can’t all possibly be that buffoonish, thus I have to assume y’all are just hypocrites and liars.

Example of Lefty Talking point on the web: “If you don’t want “reform” (unspecified, of course, as they have no clue what the bill actually entails) then you WANT PEOPLE TO DIE!!!111!!

It must be true, Olby told them so! And he had on his *super* serious face! (which I really, really, really want to pop right in the nose, by the way)

So, Come on y’all. We should all change our minds about Obamacare. Apparently, the word Reform now means “Eternal Life” !  No one will *ever* die now!

As The Anchoress asks on Twitter :

@snarkandboobs So, if fetuses have Obamacare, they will never die? #NeverDieW/Obamacare

Meanwhile, I’ll just sit here patiently waiting for him to rescind all his nasty comments and endless bashing of Sarah Palin for her use of the term Death Panels.

Olbermann: ‘Death Panel’ Palin dangerously irresponsible
Sarah the Quitter incites mob violence and national disunity by ‘making stuff up’

There is no ‘death panel.’ There is no judgment based on societal productivity. There is no worthiness test. But there is downright evil, and Ms. Palin, you just served its cause. You shouted “fire” in a crowded theater — a hot one — and then today tried to roll it back with “no, no, sorry, not fire, I meant flashlights.”

Too little, too late, too obvious. Madam, you are a clear and present danger to the safety and security of this nation. Whether the ‘death panel’ is something you dreamed, or something you dreamed-up, whether it is the product of a low intellect and a fevered imagination, or the product of a high intelligence and a sober ability to exploit people, you should be ashamed of yourself for having introduced it into the public discourse, and it should debar you, for all time, from any position of responsibility or trust in the governance of this nation or any of its states or municipalities.

Since he’s so full of journalistic integrity and all, I’m certain he doesn’t wish to appear hypocritical and skewer others for demagoguery, dangerous irresponsibility and “making stuff up” whilst totally doing it himself.  He signs off using Edward R. Murrow’s phrase for goodness sake! That means he’s A Paragon of Professional Virtue!  I mean, he’s *almost* as respected and admired in his field as Michael Moore is in his!

Speaking of which, how’s that box office treating you Michael?

*snickering madly* – of course. As I’m evil and want people TO DIE.

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  1. October 8, 2009 1:39 am

    Aint watching Olbermonster not no way not no how.
    Besides, @calebhowe and that “other guy”.

  2. October 8, 2009 1:40 am

    Darn innernets…
    …that “other guy” gave a running commentary.

    • snarkandboobs permalink*
      October 8, 2009 1:42 am

      Heh heh .. the intranets paid you back for laughing at MY no link-ism on the Twitter😀

      I didn’t watch it all either. I just can’t. I fear that the steam coming out of my ears would be so excessive as to be actually painful!

  3. derrell permalink
    October 8, 2009 2:12 am

    (which I really, really, really want to pop right in the nose, by the way)

    Read that and all I can see is Nancy Pelosi with a single tear rolling down her cheek because of all the right wing hate.

  4. derrell permalink
    October 8, 2009 2:15 am

    Sorry about the embedded vid link thought I had grabbed the direct link.

    • snarkandboobs permalink*
      October 8, 2009 2:19 am

      That’s fine! I prefer embedded anyway because it’s easier for me to watch: Firefox is getting annoyed with me for having too many tabs open as it is, sigh.

  5. Reiuxcat permalink
    October 8, 2009 2:21 am

    What makes me shake my head is that lefties bash o’reilley and hannity and (gasp) Glen Beck! But the think this rube, no, sorry, don’t want to dis rubes, this arrogant ignoramus who’s head is up his arse so far that he can check his own tonsils and yet they truly believe that KO is the Walter Cronkite of the 21st century!

    I’ve seen less propaganda on a Jimmie Jones Peoples Temple sermon! All I can figure this is NBC, aka MSNBC, etc penance for the Saturday night live skit. CNN had Wolfie do his fact checking piece already.

    Oh, oh, gotta go make a relevent blip. enjoy The Vapors – Jimmie Jones ♫ http://blip.fm/~ei4z4

  6. October 8, 2009 4:28 am

    Keith Olberman, Listen to Thyself:

  7. Wsorrian permalink
    October 8, 2009 5:56 am

    The Dark Olberlord™ is a disgustingly vile creature. Spawned from the blackest demon in the ninth level of hell.

    On a positive note, that hair is chiseled marble. I swear we could use that head to lay siege to Troy.😀

  8. taiki permalink
    October 8, 2009 5:59 am

    It’s official, judging by the responses on the internet, the official Conservative response to the healthcare problems in this country is, “Die, and die quickly” and “Don’t get sick.”

    Keep it classy, red states. We as a country were almost respectable to our fellow human beings.

    • October 8, 2009 1:20 pm

      taiki ….(which I suspect is Mandarin for “hallucinate”)

      “It’s official, judging by the responses on the internet, the official Conservative response to the healthcare problems in this country is, “Die, and die quickly””

      This from the party of chewing off the fingers of those they disagree with… Heh…

      Democrats have:

      2-3 million dead Cambodians
      The start of every single war the US has been in save for 2
      Tens of millions of dead African at the hands of malaria
      50 million abortions and counting
      2 A-Bombs dropped on cities

      …to their credit

      There is NO party …anywhere in history… except *perhaps* Stalin’s or Mao’s (and even that is a maybe) That have had as much direct connection to mass murder as the US DEMOCRATIC party…

      Deal with it…

      preferably silently…

      • snarkandboobs permalink*
        October 8, 2009 3:09 pm

        Thank you. And you are spot-on, as ever.

        Thank you too for the full belly giggle here:

        Deal with it…

        preferably silently…

        😀

      • taiki permalink
        October 8, 2009 6:49 pm

        4 wars you mean. The Democratic party wasn’t in power during the Civil War, nor was it in power during the war of 1812. I have a sinking feeling about the Spanish-American war and the Mexican-American war being wars the Democrats had nothing to do with either, but I can’t prove that either way.

        Further more, this is the same kind of fallacious arguing I’ve seen conservatives do over and over. The argument isn’t about which party has a higher body count, the argument is, what should we do about rising health costs and the mess that is our medical system.

        Republicans love to talk about death. Death panels, dead infants in abortions, people dying in a terror attack… But it seems more and more that it’s an empty scare tactic. You are more likely to die from not being covered medically than you are to die from a terror attack. Assuming you’re not in the military and you’re not playing on going disco dancing in Bali or Jerusalem any time soon. Even if your substandard or non existent care kept you alive through a horrible disease, if you went to a hospital for your problems, you’re going to see a pile of debt. Debt that racked up pretty needlessly. If this were any other first world country you wouldn’t have this problem.

    • Wsorrian permalink
      October 8, 2009 3:16 pm

      That’s a lie and you know it. The republicans have put forth several paths to health care and health insurance reform. You fear mongering leftists just lie and say they haven’t all the while silencing them.

      But let’s back away from that and summarize the democrat’s plan for healthcare.
      1.)Lie about costs.
      2.)Lie about “choice”.
      3.)Lie about coverage.
      4.)Lie about rationing.
      5.)Lie about price reductions.
      6.)Lie about taxes.
      7.)If you’re elderly or “undesirable”, die and die quickly.
      8.)If you think you’re entitled to prompt medical care, don’t get sick.

      Not only are you a liar, you’re alo a hypocrite. The worst kind of liar.

      • taiki permalink
        October 8, 2009 6:54 pm

        Tax cuts and credits and loosened regulations isn’t a solution. it’s not even new. That’s why the whole thing is being dismissed out of hand.

        Those are 8 verifiable claims. Please verify the veracity of these claims. If you’re not interested in backing up your claims, I can and will debunk each of those claims.

        I’m not a liar, or a hypocrite. I’m a skeptic. I follow a line of skeptical inquiry that starts me at some base line hypothesis, follows the evidence, and more often than not, it leads me to follow the liberal point of view. Reality, sadly, has a liberal bias.

        • Wsorrian permalink
          October 8, 2009 8:01 pm

          That first sentence completely negates the rest of your elitist post, especially your dogmatic inference to reality and liberal bias. Tax credits and loosened regulations aren’t even main republican views on health insurance reform. That proves YOU don’t even know what they are.

          I challenge you to debunk them, but first I would like you to backup your claims about the Republican plan. You made the first claims so prove them. Don’t come on here demanding for someone to backup claims when you have yet to backup your own. Hypocrite. The whole “cite your proof” argument on the internet, while refusing to use a search engine yourself, is nothing more than argumentative grandstanding. It’s a sign of a weak argument that the participant knows they can’t back up what they say. So prove them. Prove republicans want people to die and die quickly, or don’t get sick.

          As for YOUR reality having a liberal bias, all I can say is “Manuel Zelaya”. Idiot.

          • taiki permalink
            October 9, 2009 1:00 am

            The only real plan was put forth by Roy Blunt. More tax cuts, more loosened regulations.

            If you can name any Republican alternative, go for it.

            Also, if I wrote a paper and in the citations sections I said, “Pfft, do it yourself. Use google.” I’d get a huge fail. When making an argument the onus is on the person making that argument to support their argument, not the listener.

            But okay.

            remember, the political process to draw up bills is pretty complex, the bill HR3200 is different and will be different than the Senate bill, and will be different than the bill that comes out of reconciliation when the Senate and House agree on a single bill.

            1.)Lie about costs.

            Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development report on health care costs. We spend just a smidge over 15% of our GDP. France and the UK spend around 10. They’re expected to hit over 20% in the next few years.

            I’m not sure what specific costs you’re referring to though.

            2.)Lie about “choice”.

            Public option is a choice. If your insurance options sucks, you have the choice of going to the public option.

            3.)Lie about coverage.

            This is highly dependent on whether or not Max ‘Judas’ Baucus gets it together and puts the public option in the bill. But the bill as it is in the Finance Committee eliminates pre-existing conditions as a reason why you can be denied health care, and also eliminates an insurer dropping you from the plan, AKA, Recision.

            That’s something that survived in the Baucus bill as it is now.

            http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11382446/Baucus-Health-Care-Bill—Full-Text

            4.)Lie about rationing.

            No where in any bill. Rationing doesn’t happen in first world . Triage does happen in Canada, but, no one in

            5.)Lie about price reductions.

            Where’s the lie? The bill as it is in the House does introduce price controls. The final bill on the other hand, may not. May not contain a public option, but probably not.

            6.)Lie about taxes.

            What lie? This bill hasn’t left the House or the Senate yet and Obama left it up to the legislature to decide which way to go. He said he didn’t want to raise taxes, but this isn’t his choice. Haven’t you ever taken a civics lesson?

            7.)If you’re elderly or “undesirable”, die and die quickly.

            There’s nothing in the bill to support this. No death panels, no Government sanctioned euthanasia. There’s a provision in the bill that states that the Public Option would pay for end of life counseling. Drafting up a “Living Will”(Cue creepy music). Pretty standard document.

            8.)If you think you’re entitled to prompt medical care, don’t get sick.

            Nothing in the bill states this either.

            Most of those were pulled from :

            http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/

            • Wsorrian permalink
              October 9, 2009 3:28 am

              Most Republican bills aren’t even allowed to go to committee. What you’re trying to do here is typical. You try to limit the discussion to a narrow criteria in an attempt to avoid the real problem with your argument. You know John Boehner has been trying to introduce healthcare bills repeatedly, but they aren’t even allowed to be discussed on the floor. Because of this most ideas never make it to the drafting phase. You know this to be true, but you ignore it.

              Here are two others that slipped through the cracks:

              HR 2520
              HR 3538

              Not the embodiemnt of the total Republican strategy, but it’s all your bully pulpit democrats allowed through.

              “”””Also, if I wrote a paper and in the citations sections I said, “Pfft, do it yourself. Use google.” I’d get a huge fail. When making an argument the onus is on the person making that argument to support their argument, not the listener.””””

              Exactly, The burden of proof is on the accuser. And who was the one running in here making baseless accusation about republican healthcare plans, then whining about others not providing links you could get yourself? Oh that’s right! It was you. Hoisted on your own petard. Idiot.

              Still waiting on you to back up what you said.

              ———————————————

              1.) I’m not talking about the cost of healthcare in France, now am I? I am talking about th quoted price of the Obama care bill versus what the CBO said. We were lied to about that.

              2.) The public option would have been your only choice and the way it was worded, it blocked most new policies from being written. It also would have forced small businesses to have their healthcare audited and imposed a payroll fine which woiuld force small business employers to dump people off on the government plan. That is why the public option was dropped. We were lied to about that.

              3.) Even the obamascare bill will only cover about 94% of Americans, (a 5% increase from the current availibility for the low low price of $829 billion.) not everyone as was stated. Half of the uninsured today will remain uninsured. We were lied to about that.

              4.) This scam would cause an influx of tens of millions of patients and no doctors to treat them. With the incentives of increased hours, limited time per patient, and reduced payments there isn’t likely to be a rush of doctors anytime soon. We were lied to about that.

              5.) The CBO confirmed the bill will likely increase prices, not reduce them. We were lied to about that.

              6.) Obama stated, as a campaign lie..err promise, that nobody making under $250 thousand would see a tax increase. Then it was $200 thousand. I think they just reduced it again. He said 95% of working class American families would see a tax cut. We were lied to about that and you just lied about him saying he didn’t “want” to.

              Yes, moron, I’ve taken several civics classes along with economics and I even learned a bit about law, which is why I can recognize a steaming pile of BS when I see it. Looks alot like what you’re shoveling right now.

              7.) There was mandatory “end-of-life” counseling worded in the bill and quickly stricken from it as soon as Palin mentioned “death panels”. This provision, along with trying to talk the elderly into living wills, called for a panel of beauracrats to decide the cost effectiveness of treatments. We were lied to about that.

              Not to mention this would kick open the door for assisted suicide, and all kinds of other garbage, years down the road as the real cost of this plan comes to light and starts kicking Americans in the teeth.

              8.) This is a judgement based on my experience with government healthcare coupled with stories from Oregon and Massacheusetts, as well as Canada. All the men in my family, on both sides, served in the military. All of them HATE their government. You only receive decent care if you were an officer. Enlisted grunts get crapped on as per usual. So I would appreciate it if you and your liberla drones would quit saying everyone in the military likes their government program. It’s a lie.

              Beware the evil *.PDF. Some are quite large.

              waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/SmallBiz7-28.pdf

              http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/opinion/article/ED-COLE25_20090824-181003/288025/

              http://www.lewin.com/Expertise/HealthReform/

              http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=332

              http://www.lifenews.com/bio2920.html

              http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32718&s=rcmc

              http://healthcare-economist.com/2008/06/30/medicare-more-likely-to-deny-claims-than-commerical-health-insurers/

              http://www.apna.org/files/public/HR_3200.pdf

              http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/104xx/doc10464/hr3200.pdf

              I’m giving up here because I easily have 2 dozen more links I’ve saved to favorites. These should cover everything I was talking about.

              By the way, factcheck.org is a liberal propaganda arm and it has been proven as such more than once. Try not using it lest you look more like a fool. Annenberg convienently leaves out damaging statistics and misrepresents data. Citing them is not advised in most cases. So that “evidence” you boasted about following, was leading you off a cliff.

          • Wsorrian permalink
            October 9, 2009 4:19 am

            I am rewriting this because my first draft has disappeared.

            First off, factcheck.org is a liberal propaganda arm. Citing that makes you look foolish.

            Secondly, you keep trying to justify these things by saying they don’t exist now, as if that made it all better. Ever hear of the term “useful idiot”?

            “”””Also, if I wrote a paper and in the citations sections I said, “Pfft, do it yourself. Use google.” I’d get a huge fail. When making an argument the onus is on the person making that argument to support their argument, not the listener.””””

            Right and who came in here making baseless accusations about republican healthcare plans? You did. Hoisted on your own petard.

            1.) I am not talking about France or the GDP, now am I? I am talking about the cost of this bill. It has been underestimated twice now. Also your own numbers are faulty. We do not spend 15% of our GDP on healthcare. Healthcare IS 15% of the GDP. Big difference.

            2.) The public option would eliminate private insurance over a few years. Sure you could have kept your insurance but if you ever changed jobs you would have to take the government plan. Small business would be pressured to dump it’s employees on the governemnt plan. This is a major reason the public option was dropped…for now.

            3.) This plan would cover about 94% of Americans. An increase of 5% for “only” $829 billion. What a deal. I can harldy wait.

            4.) There aren’t enough doctors to treat the millions of new patients. There are no incentives for them to work longer hours, limit time per patient, and receive reduced payments for services and procedures. This program will be underfunded if those weren’t true and that will lead to further rationing.

            5.) Moron, the price controls you speak of refer to the prices paid not the prices “of”. The CBO has said repeatedly this bill will increase prices and all the democrats have managed to do is shuffle costs around. They haven’t reduced anything. They’ve just hidden the real cost which is even more dangerous.

            6.) Obama stated 95% of working class Americans will receive a tax cut. he also said if you make less than $250 thousand you will not see any tax increase. The it was $200 thousand. Now I think it’s down to $175 thousand. This bill will raise taxes. There is no way to pay for it otherwise. Don’t be foolish.

            Yes I have taken civics. I have also taken economics and pre-law. SO I can recognize the BS you’re shoveling right now.

            7.) There was wording in the bill about “mandatory end-of-life counseling”. Not only is the end of life NONE OF THE GOVERNMENT’S BUSINESS, it calle dfor a panel of beauracrats to decide the cost effectiveness of treatment. If you can’t see how this would be a problem then you are ignorant. As soo as Palin coined the term “death panel” the provision disappeared.

            8.) This is a judgement based from real life experience with government healthcare. All the men in my family, on both sides, have served in the military. All of them hate it. Don’t give that BS about veteran’s loving their care. It’s garbage. Officers receive better care than enlisted, but even the officers in my family hate it.

            https://www.lacmanet.org/downloads/lacma_hr3200_cma_policy.pdf

            http://www.lifenews.com/bio2920.html

            energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090716/hr3200_ans.pdf

            http://www.apna.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageID=3943

            http://www.lewin.com/Expertise/HealthReform/

            http://www.lewin.com/Expertise/Medicare/

            cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=193

            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33214558/ns/politics-health_care_reform

            http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=10464

            http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/104xx/doc10464/hr3200.pdf

            http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR03200:@@@D&summ2=m&

            Now, I would like for you to prove what you said when you came to this blog running your mouth.

          • Wsorrian permalink
            October 9, 2009 4:28 am

            I am rewriting this because my first draft has disappeared.

            First off, factcheck.org is a liberal propaganda arm. Citing that makes

            you look foolish.

            Secondly, you keep trying to justify these things by saying they don’t

            exist now, as if that made it all better. Ever hear of the term “useful

            idiot”?

            “”””Also, if I wrote a paper and in the citations sections I said,

            “Pfft, do it yourself. Use google.” I’d get a huge fail. When making an

            argument the onus is on the person making that argument to support

            their argument, not the listener.””””

            Right and who came in here making baseless accusations about republican

            healthcare plans? You did. Hoisted on your own petard.

            1.) I am not talking about France or the GDP, now am I? I am talking

            about the cost of this bill. It has been underestimated twice now. Also

            your own numbers are faulty. We do not spend 15% of our GDP on

            healthcare. Healthcare IS 15% of the GDP. Big difference.

            2.) The public option would eliminate private insurance over a few

            years. Sure you could have kept your insurance but if you ever changed

            jobs you would have to take the government plan. Small business would

            be pressured to dump it’s employees on the governemnt plan. This is a

            major reason the public option was dropped…for now.

            3.) This plan would cover about 94% of Americans. An increase of 5% for

            “only” $829 billion. What a deal. I can harldy wait.

            4.) There aren’t enough doctors to treat the millions of new patients.

            There are no incentives for them to work longer hours, limit time per

            patient, and receive reduced payments for services and procedures. This

            program will be underfunded if those weren’t true and that will lead to

            further rationing.

            5.) Moron, the price controls you speak of refer to the prices paid not

            the prices “of”. The CBO has said repeatedly this bill will increase

            prices and all the democrats have managed to do is shuffle costs

            around. They haven’t reduced anything. They’ve just hidden the real

            cost which is even more dangerous.

            6.) Obama stated 95% of working class Americans will receive a tax cut.

            he also said if you make less than $250 thousand you will not see any

            tax increase. The it was $200 thousand. Now I think it’s down to $175

            thousand. This bill will raise taxes. There is no way to pay for it

            otherwise. Don’t be foolish.

            Yes I have taken civics. I have also taken economics and pre-law. SO I

            can recognize the BS you’re shoveling right now.

            7.) There was wording in the bill about “mandatory end-of-life

            counseling”. Not only is the end of life NONE OF THE GOVERNMENT’S

            BUSINESS, it calle dfor a panel of beauracrats to decide the cost

            effectiveness of treatment. If you can’t see how this would be a

            problem then you are ignorant. As soo as Palin coined the term “death

            panel” the provision disappeared.

            8.) This is a judgement based from real life experience with government

            healthcare. All the men in my family, on both sides, have served in the

            military. All of them hate it. Don’t give that BS about veteran’s

            loving their care. It’s garbage. Officers receive better care than

            enlisted, but even the officers in my family hate it.

            https://www.lacmanet.org/downloads/lacma_hr3200_cma_policy.pdf

            http://www.lifenews.com/bio2920.html

            energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090716/hr3200_ans.pdf

          • Wsorrian permalink
            October 9, 2009 4:34 am

            Heh. WordPress doesn’t like that at all.

            Well to avoid giving it an embolism you can google HR 3438 and HR 2520. They aren’t the complete embodiment of health the republican plan but the blast holes in your thinkprogress propaganda.

            I have sooo many more links to blast that democrat spiel to pieces, but wordpress is stroking out on all that truth.

  9. Chrissy in Central New York permalink
    October 8, 2009 6:02 am

    I heard that when Republicans objected to Grayson’s slander and wanted Congress to dole out the same kind of outrage they heaped on Joe “You lie!” Wilson, some Democrats said the two were entirely different.

    Well, surprise, surprise. I totally agree. They are totally different. What Grayson did was much, much worse than what Wilson did.

    Wilson, overcome by outrage that the President of the United States was actually perpetrating a bare faced lie from the floor of Congress, blurted out two words in response to a specific statement that Obama had made which was demonstrably false.

    (And it wasn’t the only lie he told. Investors Business Daily found 15, the Heritage Foundation named 10 and FactCheck.org listed six big areas where the President fudged the truth in very carefully worded ways that seemed intentionally misleading.)

    What Grayson did was a whole other ball of wax. He got up in front of Congress and made a prepared speech, which he illustrated with three big, pre-printed placards that said:

    (1) “The Republican health care plan: Part one, don’t get sick.”
    (2) “The Republican health care plan: Part two, if you do get sick…”
    (3) “The Republican health care plan: Part three, die quickly.”

    Grayson’s speech on the C-SPAN [2:27]

    Wow. One might call such a thing hateful, narrow-minded, intolerant and prejudiced against people of the Republican persuasion. Except we all know that leftie Dems are the epitome of loving, open-minded, tolerant and accepting of all peoples everywhere. Or maybe they’re only accepting of all “persons” … cuz you know, those fetal types aren’t legally “persons” any more, not since 5 old goats on the Supreme Court decided they weren’t.

    But maybe it’s just my flaming right wingnut imagination that has me thinking that a pre-planned, unjust and wholesale statement of libel and slander is an example of the kind of mean-spirited and coarse debate that we Tea Party types have all been told to avoid at all costs.

    Or maybe I just missed the memo that said Republicans had lost their rights to personhood too.

    • taiki permalink
      October 8, 2009 6:29 am

      Abortion? really? That’s what you’re going to bring this down to?

      Abortion is a really complicated issue. This is deliberate poisoning of the well by bringing up such an issue and avoiding all of the other issues, like increasing costs or inequities in the system.

      People are going into huge piles of debt because heaven forbid they caught some form of cancer that may have been unavoidable or completely random, and you want to talk about Abortion? Get real. No wonder Conservatives are being seen as tone deaf and out of touch. No wonder hardline conservatism took it pretty hard in the last two election cycles. This isn’t merely about politics but when things are financial, spiritual or moral, they’re certainly political.

      I guess it’s easy to be tone deaf about the sick dying when you’ve sold your collective souls to both needlessly large pharma and the religious right. When you no longer believe that death is bad, that death is the gateway to heaven, voting down bills that could give someone chemo or radition treatment to treat their tumor becomes a decision you can sleep with at night.

      • snarkandboobs permalink*
        October 8, 2009 3:08 pm

        No wonder Conservatives are being seen as tone deaf and out of touch.

        Keep your head in the sand, please! It totally works in our favor. You see, y’all are the ones seen as out of touch — the Left and your buddies in Hollywood.

        Keep mocking, keep ridiculing. Sneer like you’ve never sneered before! I look forward to 2010 now. Thankies!

        • taiki permalink
          October 8, 2009 3:54 pm

          You realize that if *any* healthcare bill makes it out of congress, 2010 doesn’t look so hot for Republicans? The party has staked itself to dig it’s heels in and oppose *any* progressive movements, lest it take another one in the jaw.

          If Republicans want to win in 2010, 2012 or in the future. Admit defeat. Move on. Gays aren’t the greatest threat to the family, bankruptcy is. Communism and socialism are red herrings. Believe in something for God’s sake. Nominate Megan McCain or any other Republican with an honest soul. Someone who’s going to talk to me about the conservative answer to issues, not just issues.

  10. Chrissy in Central New York permalink
    October 8, 2009 6:06 am

    Olbie’s days are so numbered. September ratings are out and the TOP THIRTEEN SHOWS are ALL on Fox News. And Fox’s Red Eye is gaining viewers by leaps and bounds. It’s not in the top thirteen, yet, but it may get there. And get this. It’s on at THREE IN THE MORNING (Eastern).

    Red Eye is a hybrid comedy/news program that skewers liberals and PC-ism with hip, funny, attractive and clever conservative guests. Would you believe that, airing at 3 A.M., it is outperforming PRIME TIME broadcast AND cable news shows? Isn’t that wild?!

    In September, Red Eye had more overall viewers than every CNBC show, every MSNBC show that is on before Hardball, most of HLN, and American Morning on CNN. An it had more people in the critical “25-54” demographic watching at three in the morning than Campbell Brown’s show that leads off CNN’s prime time! Wow! :o)

    Here are some segments from Red Eye that have been posted at YouTube:

    MSM Tea Party Coverage! [9:54]

    The Red Eye commentary is funny and pointed, but big creepy EWs to the MSNBC NEWS anchor’s news report that was liberally laced with sexually explicit references the likes of which would sound clever and funny only to a bunch of eighth grade boys. You’re gonna go watch this one now, aren’t you? Admit it! Well, as long as you’re going, just try to imagine Walter Cronkite reading that news report. It’s not a pretty picture.

    Garofalo’s Tea Party Commentary [4:04]

    Excuse me while I take major exception to Janeane’s asinine characterization of my husband (who attended a local TEA party) as a racist who doesn’t know history. Not. BTW, the talking New York Times “commentator” is A RIOT!

    Butt Bomb [5:14]

    I think this may be a good example of what Red Eye is all about. A serious news story mixed with serious commentary and completely tasteless humor. Excellent show. Scary topic. Watch this one. It’s from last week and I never heard a word about it anywhere else.

    • snarkandboobs permalink*
      October 8, 2009 3:08 pm

      I love Red Eye. Have watched from the very beginning. Greg Gutfeld is made of awesome.

    • taiki permalink
      October 8, 2009 5:14 pm

      If the twitter reaction is anything to go by, no, Olbermann’s just fine where he is.

      Red Eye had a bigger of the demos in the 24-54 spectrum than Campbell Brown’s show. That doesn’t mean Red Eye is doing great. It means that Campbell Brown and CNN aren’t doing those numbers. The reason may be, that Campbell Brown doesn’t appeal to young people, or that her show sucks(which is a good possibility, there hasn’t been anything worth watching on CNN in years) or that Red Eye appeals to people in the demographic of 24-54 year olds.

      Besides, I think the magic of why this is true is the magic of that 24-54 spectrum. There’s a generational gap of a viewer at 24 and someone at 34. It gets bigger at 44 and even bigger at 54. I’ll be willing to bet that if the demos were focused more tightly on the 24-34 demo, Red Eye won’t be looking so hot. If I remember how the Nielson and Arbitron ratings worked, they used more responsible demographics reporting and KO and Maddow take high spots in the 20 somethings to 30 somethings demo. The demo most likely to have disposable income and thus more important to advertisers.

      I really hope you and your husband attended the TEA parties when the libertarians were first throwing them during the Bush years. It really says something that the last super power in the west has it’s fat, comfortable, well off citizens complain about the difference between taxation in the lower 30’s to mid 30’s in terms of percentages when every other first world country on earth is taxed at higher rates.

  11. October 8, 2009 7:38 am

    Wow, taiki, you sure zeroed in on that abortion thang, didn’t ya? There were several paragraphs of solid points but you couldn’t resist the knee-jerk response to an oblique reference to abortion. “Doth thou protest too much?” Oh, then you got down to business. I was so impressed with your “pithy”/s generalizations of Conservatives. Let me tell you something, lemming, Conservatives don’t want people to die. We just don’t want to pay for something an individual should be doing for themselves. It’s really that simple. You see, liberal, we plan for the future or we cultivate relationships (e.g. family, church, friends) that help us through difficult times. We would NEVER depend on the State to pay our bills, provide for our well-being or take care of us as we age. This network (family, church, friends) used to work brilliantly until you social justice types started to redistribute our wealth. And lo and behold, the unintended consequences from your beneficence began. I know you don’t understand the concept of unintended consequences, after all, you liberals only ever expect to be judged on your good intentions. Good intentions and utopian ideas do not pay the bills and do not lead to prosperity. Statist policies always lead to dependency which limits individual freedom. That’s it in an acorn-shell and you can put that in your pipe and smoke it. Nighty night.

    • taiki permalink
      October 8, 2009 3:25 pm

      That’s because that’s where the comment ended. Abortion. Poisoning of the damned well. Didn’t they teach you fallacy and argument in school?

      Besides, what good points? That Congressman Grayson summed up the lack of any sort of health care reform alternative legislation from the right as, “Don’t get sick, if you do, die, and die quickly” is mean? It’s punchy, but, the heart of the argument is, where’s the competing proposal? Where’s the bipartisan stance? More HMOs, PPOs and more health insurance?

      As for what a conservative would do in this situation, you do realize that many people DO that and they bring their families down with them? When your bills are piling in and your family and friends dug deep but you’re still not able to pay them? What then?

      It’s not that the liberals “redistributed the wealth” and now we’re in this situation. Advances in medical technology meant that diagnostics got better, and more expensive. Advances in creative insurance accounting means that a middle man is making the whole process much harder to go through and for less benefit, for his own profit. In fact, if liberals did “redistribute wealth” and enacted a single payer system, this would stop being a problem. No longer would we be paying into some middle man who takes a little for profit, a lot for over head and still refuses to pay out coverage. We’d be spending all of that, on medical care. Is that depending on the state? Sure. But what about if your house catches fire? Calling 911 to get the firefighters to your house is socialized fire coverage. It’s depending on the state to solve a problem that’s out of the individual’s ability to solve it.

      Getting horribly sick with some preventable, treatable illness with no way to pay for it is a fate worse than death. Death means that you cope and move on. The related costs are far lower too. Watching someone go through a preventable, treatable illness, you have to watch them suffer, go broke, then die.

      • Reiuxcat permalink
        October 8, 2009 4:17 pm

        taiki,

        so where’s this humongous list of all the people that got sick and died because they didn’t get health care?

        I’m sorry, say again? What? They didn’t die? They didn’t die because they went to the emergency room and got free “to them” health care.

        So who paid for it? Ah yes, the tax payer. So I see some common ground perhaps everyone could work on since the tax payers are already footing the bill. But Nooooooo, the Democrats want to ruin health care for everyone just like the government has ruined everything they touch by completely taking over health care. BTW, talk to a few veterans and ask how that “free” veteran health care is working out for them. Ask my Dad and he may be inclined to punch you in the nose for asking a stupid question!

        So it appears to thinking people, conservatives, independants and even some liberals that the elected officials are not doing what their voters want them to do. The people do not want the government running health care!

        You are ok with that fact?

        • taiki permalink
          October 8, 2009 5:46 pm

          I’m not OK, because we’re not dealing with the facts.

          Depending on the municipality you’re in, tax payers don’t pay that. The hospital does. Which in turn, passes that along to people who do have insurance driving costs up even higher, needlessly.

          Institute of Medicine, a national not for profit member of the National Academies of Science, issued a report that 18,000 people DIE due to the lack of health care. If you’re looking for a body count and list of the dead, I’m pretty sure you can find it in the IoM’s raw data.

          The emergency room isn’t health care. You don’t go to the emergency room because you’ve got Schleroderma or Melioidosis or PTSD or Depression or Multiple Sclerosis(or Lupus, but it’s *never* Lupus). Oh sure, you can go to the emergency room due to complications of these conditions, but never for the condition itself. You don’t get comprehensive rehabilitation and care. Watching cases on House or ER or some other medico-drama may be compelling, but the ER isn’t health care. Preventative medicine can stop a lot of long term diseases, but many people don’t *get* preventative care. Not just exercising and eating right but also checking for tumors, growths and regular diagnostic checkups. It’s hard enough to figure out whether or not there’s a malignant lump somewhere, it’s even harder to know if you’ve never had an x-ray or an MRI.

          Further more, there are many successful federal programs. Rural electrification, national parks, the FCC, the FDA, the NIH, the CDC, the Military and the Post Office, which is more efficient than FedEx and UPS. Hell, you can get tax returns faster than you can mail in rebates.

          My dad’s happy with TriCare, I don’t know why yours isn’t. But the plural of anecdote is not data, it is ancedotes. 67% of Active Duty respondents of a military survey of TriCare recipients are satisfied with TriCare and 79% of non-Active Duty responded similarly. Your dad may be the 1/5 who doesn’t like their TriCare. So, I’d say that’s a victory for the Secret-Socialist-Muslim-Santa crowd.

          http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=1167

          • Reiuxcat permalink
            October 8, 2009 10:25 pm

            I just got off a plane. Thanks for the response. I did scan it, but I want to read it more closely tomorrow. Till then.

            • Reiuxcat permalink
              October 9, 2009 11:06 am

              ” tax payers don’t pay that. The hospital does. Which in turn, passes that along to people who do have insurance driving costs up even higher, needlessly.”

              This is a mis-statement and is not based on fact. I have been a home owner in three different states. I know for certain, from personal experience, that in the designated “no turn away” patient hospitals that indigent care comes out of the county and state coffers 1st. Then the difference is passed on. I have seen my property tax and sales taxes go up to pay the additional costs on health care in these counties and cities. I don’t know where you got your info but you are flat out wrong on this one.

              18,000 die in what time period? One year? Two? And what are the circumstances? They bled to death from gun shot wounds before they got to the hospital? Ot perhaps some junkie popped his last balloon and was passed out while he overdosed and could not receive treatment? According to FARS over 34,000 people died in 2008 on US roads. Should we just outlaw cars and trucks to stop the death? Or do we study the circumstances of those deaths and make the roads safer? The democratic party approach to nationalized health care will most likely end up being a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

              I don’t watch those type of TV shows so I am not certain as to your point. However, you are accusing me of not wanting to treat folks for their maladies. Which is false. By my stating that my tax money is already going to emergency room treatment being common ground to discuss a solution should show you that I do want to see something done. But since I don’t want the government running my healthcare show you evidently think I am a bad person. Oh well.

              “successful federal programs. Rural electrification [1930s projects that now have crumbling infrastructure from federal neglect], national parks[same here, more federal neglect], the FCC[wants to take my freedom of speech away now], the FDA[won’t outlaw tobacco which has killed millions and caused increased health care costs], the NIH[now where did I put that anthrax again], the CDC[don’t look at me, I’ve got my own disease issues], the Military[can’t argue the military] and the Post Office, which is more efficient than FedEx and UPS. Hell, you can get tax returns faster than you can mail in rebates.” [Um, do you have a job that deals with shipping packages or important documents? I use fed ex and ups anyday over the taxpayer subsidized post office. Why should taxpayer money be used to support a failing business model? And where’s Amtrack on this list. Aren’t they as good as the post office?]

              The doctors providing veteran care are good doctors. My dad is not active duty. I was referring to veterans not on active duty. My dad lives in West Texas. He has an hour drive to go to the nearest VA hospital. But that is for check ups and stuff. For him to get serious testing done, he has to drive three hours to San Antonio. He just can’t show up either and get seen. He waits for his initial visit and then another month or two befire he can go to San Antonio. So he’s really unhappy about how he get’s his care. The doctors are not the issue.

              So lets look at some relevent stats from http://www.hsrd.research.va.gov/meetings/2009/display_abstract.cfm?RecordID=521

              77% of whites are happy with there care while 52% of blacks are happy with there care. Outpatient care improves slightly, whites are 87% happy and the blacks are 65% happy. Let’s look at the trust in VA care numbers. 90% of whites trust the care they get while 68% of blacks trust the care they get.

              Now you have stated that 18,000 die, 0.006% of the US population. So you want to lower the quality of health care for the majority of Americans instead of fixing it for those that need it? That is what is wrong about this attempted take over of health care by the current government. But like the democrats in congress, it strongly appears that you have no intention having a true discussion.

              have a good weekend & I wish you well taiki.

              • Reiuxcat permalink
                October 9, 2009 11:11 am

                Addendum, the obama administartion have changed the number of those uninsured at least three times. So I’ll use ther number of 25 million, that’s 8.2% of the population. And my thoughts in the last paragraph stand.

  12. docweasel permalink
    October 8, 2009 10:03 am

    “it is in the hands of people, insurance companies, who can still make money by betting against your good health.’

    Uh, no, they make money by betting FOR your good health. They LOSE money when people get sick. If everyone was healthy and paying premiums, they’d make huge profits.

    Olbermann doesn’t even have the faintest grip on reality.

  13. October 8, 2009 2:09 pm

    I just can’t bring myself to watch Olby.
    Unless someone gets a video of you popping him in the nose. Now that I’d pay to see…

    • snarkandboobs permalink*
      October 8, 2009 3:10 pm

      Haha! I’d pay to *do* it! Hey, the Stimulus is working!😉

      • Reiuxcat permalink
        October 8, 2009 4:19 pm

        Speaking of being made of awesome. 🙂 LOL

  14. John Collins permalink
    October 8, 2009 7:06 pm

    If Edward R. Murrow was to come back from the grave, I think he’d pop Olberasshat in the nose for you.

  15. Wsorrian permalink
    October 9, 2009 4:37 pm

    Bah, now they all show up. Feel free to delete some of those extra posts I thought were lost, Mrs Boobs.

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